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The best electronic music?
LOW 50%  50%  [ 11 ]
HEROES 50%  50%  [ 11 ]
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One Virgin
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Which album has the most in bootlegged material?

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I don't think there is any of bootlegged material out there.
The original title of Low was New Music Night and Day.

To be able to listen to the soundtrack sessions with Paul Buckmaster would be great.

Low owes much to the Krautrock of Neu! and Harmonia. Some Kraftwerk, too.


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They're both great albums but I think "Low" has the edge mainly because the instrumental compositions on the second side are so amazing, particularly "Art Decade", "Warszawa" and "Subterraneans". In fact, I might go as far as to say that "Low" is my favourite Bowie album. Bowie was hanging out a lot in West Berlin during this period so I agree with you WilliamLee, there's quite a krautrock influence there. However, Eno deserves as much credit for the album as Bowie does.


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They're both great albums but I think "Low" has the edge mainly because the instrumental compositions on the second side are so amazing, particularly "Art Decade", "Warszawa" and "Subterraneans". In fact, I might go as far as to say that "Low" is my favourite Bowie album. Bowie was hanging out a lot in West Berlin during this period so I agree with you WilliamLee, there's quite a krautrock influence there. However, Eno deserves as much credit for the album as Bowie does.

Yes it seems that "Low" is also my favorite due to the exact reason posted by you! Follow by "Station to Station" his "Thin White Duke" era was so strident and very minimal and perhaps very art motivated by his live performances being lit by such "white light" :)

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WilliamLee wrote:
I don't think there is any of bootlegged material out there.
The original title of Low was New Music Night and Day.

To be able to listen to the soundtrack sessions with Paul Buckmaster would be great.

Low owes much to the Krautrock of Neu! and Harmonia. Some Kraftwerk, too.


Yes those sessions would be great to hear, were they intended for the man who fell to earth?

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I think you and I have quite similar musical tastes One Virgin.

God, look how thin he is in that picture. That's what snorting coke for breakfast, lunch and dinner will do to you. :wink:


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Both would have made great eps. Lot of filler but some great stuff inbetween. Certainly not a patch on the first 4 Eno albums.

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One Virgin wrote:
Yes those sessions would be great to hear, were they intended for the man who fell to earth?


Yes, they were. Some info here: http://www.david-buckley.com/Paul%20Buc ... 202011.pdf

Bowie wanted Neu!'s Michael Rother to play on Heroes, but his record company sabotaged that. The wanted someone more famous, so we got Robert Fripp...
Brian Eno was recording with Cluster in Forst (near the Weser river) and forgot about time. Bowie had to phone him to remind him that he was supposed to be in Berlin...


The Thin White Duke was great too. Always liked it when Bowie was going through his Nazi phase...


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ringosshed wrote:
Both would have made great eps. Lot of filler but some great stuff inbetween. Certainly not a patch on the first 4 Eno albums.


How would you make EP's out of these two, what would the track listing look like?

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WilliamLee wrote:
One Virgin wrote:
Yes those sessions would be great to hear, were they intended for the man who fell to earth?


Yes, they were. Some info here: http://www.david-buckley.com/Paul%20Buc ... 202011.pdf

Bowie wanted Neu!'s Michael Rother to play on Heroes, but his record company sabotaged that. The wanted someone more famous, so we got Robert Fripp...
Brian Eno was recording with Cluster in Forst (near the Weser river) and forgot about time. Bowie had to phone him to remind him that he was supposed to be in Berlin...


The Thin White Duke was great too. Always liked it when Bowie was going through his Nazi phase...


Rather interesting info! Krautrock stars would have made the Heroes album a lot "german" in the full sense of the word, just think how Moss Garden would have sounded ..... very stoned out :D

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I think you and I have quite similar musical tastes One Virgin.

God, look how thin he is in that picture. That's what snorting coke for breakfast, lunch and dinner will do to you. :wink:


I think we do too! ..... Scary Monters making it a close forth after Aladdin Sane :)

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Has anyone tackle the task of creating a "faux" soundtrack to "The Man Wh Fell To Earth" incorporating some of Bowie's instrumentals along side the country and rock standards use in the film? Just thought it would be a unique tribute to a wonderful Sci-Fi epic!

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WilliamLee wrote:
One Virgin wrote:
Yes those sessions would be great to hear, were they intended for the man who fell to earth?


Yes, they were. Some info here: http://www.david-buckley.com/Paul%20Buc ... 202011.pdf

Bowie wanted Neu!'s Michael Rother to play on Heroes, but his record company sabotaged that. The wanted someone more famous, so we got Robert Fripp...
Brian Eno was recording with Cluster in Forst (near the Weser river) and forgot about time. Bowie had to phone him to remind him that he was supposed to be in Berlin...


The Thin White Duke was great too. Always liked it when Bowie was going through his Nazi phase...


From Wikipedia:
With the Station to Station sessions completed in December 1975, Bowie started work on a soundtrack for The Man Who Fell to Earth with Paul Buckmaster as his collaborator. Bowie expected to be wholly responsible for the film's music but found that "when I’d finished five or six pieces, I was then told that if I would care to submit my music along with some other people's... and I just said "Shit, you're not getting any of it". I was so furious, I’d put so much work into it. However Harry Maslin contended that Bowie was "burned out" and couldn't complete the work in any case. The singer eventually collapsed, admitting later, "There were pieces of me laying all over the floor". In the event, only one instrumental composed for the soundtrack saw the light of day, evolving into "Subterraneans" on his next studio album, Low.

.... I wonder if those five or six pieces will show up on the 50th anniversary edition of LOW :wink:

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The staging featured Bowie, dressed in The Duke's habitual black waistcoat and trousers, a pack of Gitanes placed ostentatiously in his pocket, moving stiffly among "curtains of white light", an effect that spawned the nickname 'the White Light Tour'. In 1989 Bowie reflected, "I wanted to go back to a kind of Expressionist German-film look ... and the lighting of, say, Fritz Lang or Pabst. A black-and-white movies look, but with an intensity that was sort of aggressive. I think for me, personally, theatrically, that was the most successful tour I’ve ever done." The Station to Station tour was the source of one of the artist's best-known bootlegs, culled from an FM radio broadcast of his 23 March 1976 concert at Nassau Coliseum.

Was any of this captured on film not just photography :?
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Some of it must have been but I've never seen any.


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Great honky tonk piano version of "Sound and Vision"! Just how much of this album has been performed "live"?


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John Lennon was quoted as saying that when making his album Double Fantasy in 1980, his ambition was to "do something as good as "Heroes".

What a odd comparison of the two albums, nothing at all the same musically :?

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Unequivocally Low. Low every time.

I know they were sequential albums, and two parts of a trilogy, but Low is one of my favourite albums of all time, any artist; Heroes is way down on my Bowie list (ahead of Pin-Ups and Black Tie White Noise, but not in my top 10).

Low, for me, is full of ideas and new approaches - Heroes is full of ugly songs. Can't like Blackout, can't like Beauty and the Beast, can't be arsed with the three instrumentals. I'd put Lodger ahead of Heroes.

In answer to One Virgin's question about how much of Low has been performed live, try this:

http://www.bootlegzone.com/album.php?name=DB110602

Whereas as far as Heroes is concerned, not aware of Neuköln or Moss Garden having been performed live, but am very prepared to be contradicted on that!


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Unequivocally Low. Low every time.

I know they were sequential albums, and two parts of a trilogy, but Low is one of my favourite albums of all time, any artist; Heroes is way down on my Bowie list (ahead of Pin-Ups and Black Tie White Noise, but not in my top 10).

Low, for me, is full of ideas and new approaches - Heroes is full of ugly songs. Can't like Blackout, can't like Beauty and the Beast, can't be arsed with the three instrumentals. I'd put Lodger ahead of Heroes.

In answer to One Virgin's question about how much of Low has been performed live, try this:

http://www.bootlegzone.com/album.php?name=DB110602

Whereas as far as Heroes is concerned, not aware of Neuköln or Moss Garden having been performed live, but am very prepared to be contradicted on that!


Thanks for the further information! Yes Heroes is rather dark, but then again it mirrors Bowie's Berlin stage brilliantly :wink: But I'd but Station To Station before and even Aladdin Sane :D

8O What a treat that would be to listen too ...

Recorded at the Roseland Theater, New York on 11th June 2002.
A particularly noteworthy gig as the whole of "Low" is played. Excellent quality too.

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I have a bootleg somewhere of Bowie live at the Scandinavium in Gothenburg (June 4, 1978). A really good audience recording, and some of the setlist is from "Low":

1. Warszawa
2. Heroes
3. What In The World
4. Be My Wife
5.The Jean Genie
6. Blackout
7. Sense Of Doubt
8. Speed Of Life
9. Breaking Glass
10. Fame
11. Beauty And The Beast
12. Five Years
13. Soul Love
14. Star
15. Hang Onto Yourself
16. Ziggy Stardust
17. Suffragette City
18. Art Decade
19. Moon Of Alabama
20. Station To Station
21. Stay
22. TVC 15
23. Rebel Rebel

It's interesting to hear some of the instrumentals from "Low" and "Heroes" live, they're much more stripped down but retain the overall feel of the album tracks which shows the level of composition that went into them - it's very difficult to reproduce music of that nature live. Philip Glass called "Low", "a work of genius".


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chill782001 wrote:
I have a bootleg somewhere of Bowie live at the Scandinavium in Gothenburg (June 4, 1978). A really good audience recording, and some of the setlist is from "Low":

1. Warszawa
2. Heroes
3. What In The World
4. Be My Wife
5.The Jean Genie
6. Blackout
7. Sense Of Doubt
8. Speed Of Life
9. Breaking Glass
10. Fame
11. Beauty And The Beast
12. Five Years
13. Soul Love
14. Star
15. Hang Onto Yourself
16. Ziggy Stardust
17. Suffragette City
18. Art Decade
19. Moon Of Alabama
20. Station To Station
21. Stay
22. TVC 15
23. Rebel Rebel

It's interesting to hear some of the instrumentals from "Low" and "Heroes" live, they're much more stripped down but retain the overall feel of the album tracks which shows the level of composition that went into them - it's very difficult to reproduce music of that nature live. Philip Glass called "Low", "a work of genius".

So much so that he wrote a symphony around the tunes :D The setlist above looks like the "Stage" era :wink:

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Can't decide between the two. I love them both. I nearly said Low but then "Heroes" has the magnifent "Joe The Lion", plus "V2-Schneider" and the genuinly scary "Sense Of Doubt". For me they are a pair, a double album. Lodger is something else completely (and on the whole not very good).

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Can't decide between the two. I love them both. I nearly said Low but then "Heroes" has the magnifent "Joe The Lion", plus "V2-Schneider" and the genuinly scary "Sense Of Doubt". For me they are a pair, a double album. Lodger is something else completely (and on the whole not very good).


Yes equal amounts of genius in both .... I remember "Moss Garden" as being a very relaxing piece of ambient wonder :) "Sense of Doubt" was very strident yet dark and haunting! Thanks for your comment :wink:

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Yeah, the Gothenburg show is from the "Stage" tour. None of it was used on that album though as that's made up of recordings from US shows. Plus, as an audience recording, it sounds more genuinely "live" than "Stage" does.


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Yeah, the Gothenburg show is from the "Stage" tour. None of it was used on that album though as that's made up of recordings from US shows. Plus, as an audience recording, it sounds more genuinely "live" than "Stage" does.


If only Robert Fripp was on that tour :( as Adrian Belew is such a manic guitarist :roll: that would have added such class with Fripp .... hell add Eno and you've got the concert of the decade ... Thanks for clarifying :D

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